Saturday, September 30, 2006


SSDP's Kris Krane on Fox News:

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Jimi Devine said...

that was awesome

Michael Osmond said...

Total fucking domination.

Justin Holmes said...

The hardest part of these kind of interviews is the framing. The issue is framed in such a way that the argument over whether or not the use of illicit drugs is worth sacrificing this bond of trust is off the table, and instead the argument is over whether or not the testing actually does erode trust.

Kris did well by not challenging this, by, for example, asking about the issue of whether testing will drive kids toward alcohol or other "harder" drugs, because it's simply impossible to make any point which requires connective logic in the fox news format.

Kris: Did they wave those crazy cue cards in front of your face? When I was on FNC, they had these zany signs that they waved around. They had one that said, in huge red letters, "HARD 3" and they put it literally within 24 inches of my face while I was talking. I had no idea what it meant, but it completely distracted me.

Anyway, great great job man - you scored one for the DPR movement, and in the lion's den.

800 pound gorilla said...

When a drug war liar equates use of arbitrarily banned drugs [called simply drugs - as if coffee, cigarettes and alcohol were drug free] with destructive behavior I'd have them on the carpet. There are zero drug specific standards in the Controlled Substances Act; the standard is about users and it is open ended to be decided by a high level political appointee. Consequently there are no legitimate scientific tests to determine that a drug is inherently harmful. No standards to be measured always equals no testing for drugs to determine harm done.

Once you expose the fact that revolves around the dangerous drugs mythology, it comes down to other factors like how much personal abuse exists in that home. Less than 4% of people who use meth become addicted and those who do come from dysfunctional homes - that include those of parents who live their lives through their children and demand excellence. Those are the types of people who are the prime target for these home drug testing kits. It's not about real harm - even if they believed in the dangerous drugs mythology: it's about controlling their child's life. In this case the drug testing itself is abusive and is just as likely to drive children into lives of drug abuse and addiction than peer pressure.

The sad thing about these abusive parents is that they have zero resistance to peer pressure themselves. They push their own kids into meeting societal expectations and if that's not peer pressure, then why bother abusing that term.

It's never about the drugs. That's why my drug ed curriculum barely mentions them after the first two chapters. It's all about personal abuse and setting up a constructive regimen for physical and social health. And that is incompatible with "life in the fast lane" as promoted by the mass media. Resistance of teen peer pressure is a cakewalk compared to that facing kids as adults.

And anytime a drug war liar scores points it's not good. And they can only score if they aren't challenged on basic root definitions early and often. Of course you don't get a second debate because scam artists will call you "difficult" and "intractable" and whine about your tactics.

Anonymous said...

To whom it may concern:

Home drug testing is an insult to anyone with a functioning brain. Workplace drug testing is just as bad, if not worse. It is simply a tactic to remove an otherwise law-abiding person from mainstream social acceptance and eliminate opportunities for that person. It's goal is to make that person a pariah, an outcast.

I have a problem with people attempting to dictate private morality of others through laws and "random" drug testing. There is nothing random about destroying a person's privacy and invading their lives. What's next, federal agents kicking in doors to see if adolescent boys are "abusing" themselves in bathrooms?

The fact that the drug tests are being sold, and not given away free should be a damn fine indicator of where those who support prohibition truly stand. I'm sure that public health and surely not blind greed is their *real* concern. They *really* care that your child is safe and protected. It's not just about the money to these chaps.

The tests cost more than money though; They cost your child's self esteem, their self respect, their basic human dignity.

A child who has been abused is more likely to become an abuser. So when a parent makes the decision to randomly drug test their child, what is the message they are sending to the child? The message is that they themselves do not wish to set an example of tolerance. The message is that they aren't involved in their child's life. The message is to piss clean, or else bad things will happen.

The message is.. that they have no rights.

Workplace testing is more acceptable later on, because they have been shown that their rights never existed and thus nothing was ever lost.

Any parent who is actually involved will likely already know whether or not their offspring is using drugs. If they are, then they should offer them love and support regardless. Otherwise, they risk pushing them further away where they themselves might no longer be trusted or looked to for help. They should love them because they are a part of each other and no drug will ever change that.

Respect yourself and they will respect you. Respect them and they will respect you and your good example.

It's time to stop debating, we already won the debate. It's time to tell the people who support prohibition to shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down. It's time to remove financial support from bottom-feeders of this type. The ONDCP (Office of National Drug Control Policy) for example, is irrelevant and no longer deserves a single penny of our tax money. Anti-drug (anti-marijuana) adverts paid for by ONDCP have cost $1.2 Billion dollars of tax money since 1998 with no demonstratable positive benefits, and certainly none with a value of 1.2 Billion. But hey, what's 1.2 Billion between us and our friends in the ONDCP and DEA?

We have seen prohibition come and go for alcohol, and we'll see the same for marijuana and other drugs soon. We can all stick our heads in the sand and pretend change isn't coming.. Or we can be prepared for that change and recognize that we have a situation in this country that can be dealt with in a more appropriate manner. Regulation of the drug market and optional treatment for those who choose to recieve it must be the way to handle this. Fines and incarceration are unacceptable. Set non-violent drug users/abusers free now.

For almost seventy years a lie has been repeated over and over to the American public. The lie that marijuana leads to harder substances. Prohibitionists keep saying it despite piles of evidence to the contrary which prove this quack theory to be just that, duckshit.

Those who wish to grow, possess, consume, sell, transport, give, recieve marijuana, etcetera must be allowed to do so without interference from any branch of the government; Be it local, state, federal, or otherwise. Genesis 1:12 for those who read the Bible.

Stealing a line from The Hurricane:

Hate got us in this place, love will break us out.


Anonymous said...

Hey 800 lb gorilla.

I think I saw you at the zoo:


Matt said...

Very nice. After seeing films like "Outfoxed", I would think that fox ussually ends on a positive note for their own agenda (which I would believe in this case would be for drug testing of kids). They were pretty fair in this instance. Congrats to Kris, you totally owned him and exposed the truth.

BruceH said...

I especially liked the line "some guy with an MBA selling drug testing kits." That stung. You could see it in that guy's face.

WTG, Kris!